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Greetings all,

As you may know there is a great deal of concern at the moment over a Facebook page called “Witches Must Die By Fire”. The page explicitly calls for acts of violence against and murder of “Witches”. There are actually two pages;

Numerous requests to Facebook to have the pages removed as Hate Speech have proven unsuccessful to date –although the page was briefly removed, then reinstated. Although Facebook has a rule against Hate Speech, it seems a page advocating murder of a religious minority does not meet Facebook’s criteria for Hate Speech.

I have hesitated to say anything about this, in part because what I am going to say may not be very popular. Since these pages have become a cause célèbre I have seen a lot of people expressing emotion – but few people taking meaningful action. In particular I have received many requests that I sign online petitions –which I almost never do.

An online petition does not constitute meaningful action. They are not effective. They are not taken seriously. They are often not even looked at, if in fact they even reach the people they are intended for. They are a waste of time and energy for the most part –and even more so when people cannot agree on a single petition, but insist on making rival petitions which, by dividing the numbers, lessen any potential impact there might arguably have been. An online petition is rather like hearing of someone’s crisis or misfortune and saying “sending energy” without ever actually sending any energy. It may make you feel good for a moment, but it does not really help the situation.

IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PAGES you need to put out a little more effort.

First –instead of taking a moment to sign a petition which is unlikely ever to be looked at, take a few more moments to contact Facebook directly. They don’t care about petitions, but if they see that enough people care about this issue to contact them directly, they may do something, if only to avoid the inconvenience of having to deal with it.

However, the very best suggestion I have seen was posted by one Heather Freysdottir who suggests that people directly contact Interpol. These pages are not just distasteful –they are advocating murder, and real murders are happening.

You can contact Interpol here: 

Write a polite but thorough letter. Do not be emotional. It is recommended that you include the relevant links given above, one or more screen shot of the site and its activities, and talk about the fact that these pages are in fact advocating real violence. Also, include some examples of that violence. You can find MANY MANY MANY examples here:

Again, emphasize that this is not objectionable only because it is Hate Speech, but also because it a real world campaign of actual violence.

In my opinion these two acts are the single most relevant things you can do: keep contacting Facebook, and contact Interpol. Please take the time necessary to do them.

Now I remarked earlier that some of what I have to say might be unpopular, and here it comes. No, it wasn't just that online petitions are political masturbation. There is something much bigger here.

I am very glad to see people finally get upset about this. I am very disturbed by why they are upset –namely, that it is finally “in our face”.

Our community has known about this issue FOR YEARS. A number of prominent people, myself included, have been trying to get people to see how horrible this is, and what a threat it ultimately poses to our community when it eventually comes to our doorstep, FOR YEARS. Although some have listened, the majority of reactions have been along the lines of “This doesn’t concern us”, “Those aren’t our Witches”, “We don’t care about ‘Those People’ over there”.

Now –just as we warned- it is getting closer to our doorstep. Here it is right on our Facebook. And we are concerned. We are horrified. We are outraged. We are also rather late to the dance.

These Facebook pages are not the problem. They are a symptom. Yes, it is good and important to have the removed. But removing them does not really address the core issues that created them. This is not an aberration. This is not a handful of nuts. This is not a “third world problem”. This is not “Those people”.

This IS a major international movement that is growing in real world power and effectiveness. It is well funded, and receives a great deal of financial support from certain churches in the US.

Remember the Sarah Palin / Thomas Muthi flap? Thomas Muthi was a Witch Hunter funded in part by Palin’s Church. Ever heard of Helen Ukpabio? She is one of the most notorious Witch Hunters in Africa – appears regularly in the US. This is not, and has never been, just a problem “over there.”

When we have known this was going on for years, why did we have to wait till it was in our face to get upset? Why could we not have gotten upset for "Those People"? When these Facebook pages are gone, will we forget about this and think that the issue is over?

The issue is Christian Dominionism. It is a serious problem in the world today. By all means be upset about these Facebook pages and get them down. Use direct action as described above -it will be most effective. But once the pages are down, do not think for a moment that this problem has gone away just because the symptom is removed.

We must stop thinking this is “not our problem”. It is, and has long been, very much our problem, and it requires sustained action to prevent it becoming even more our problem. We most consistently oppose extremist fundamentalism, or we will end up living (or dying) with it.

Blessings all,

Rev. Don Lewis

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Comment by Ken on August 22, 2013 at 5:23pm

well said.

Comment by Rev. Thodwen on August 22, 2013 at 7:46pm


Comment by Wren Silverleaf on August 22, 2013 at 8:08pm
The good news is, for at least the moment, the hate pages are down. I will take action against the hate. It's a never ending struggle.
Comment by Jul (just Jul) on August 23, 2013 at 7:13am

I often wonder if pages like those are some Erisian folks trying to see how many folks they can get into a tizzy. (Or, rather, I've known some Discordians who have done stuff like this for the lulz, but not sure if they're involved in this or not.)

Aside from that, I'm very much in agreement that it is important to take a stand on all forms of religious bigotry--whether it is Facebook groups advocating violence or Christian bashing in the WSI chat. It is a shame that there is not more tolerance in the world, but I am hopeful that as ignorance is cleared, tolerance will come in its wake.

Comment by Miakoda on August 23, 2013 at 10:50am

I just tried to link to these two pages and they are down...for the moment anyway. I did look at them the other day and reported them as others have done...hopefully strength in numbers will prevail.
Love & Light to All )0(

Comment by Ann Jacobs- Willow Moonspinner on August 23, 2013 at 6:13pm

The page was pull yesterday a hour after I wrote my letter""... Yea.. Power in numbers does work.. !!!!!

Comment by Melissa Holland on August 23, 2013 at 6:41pm

So glad these pages are down, even if temporarily.

Comment by Ravenfeather on August 23, 2013 at 8:55pm

I hate that these people would even consider themselves to be Christians. I have so many Christian friends around the world, who really are the nicest people, and they all know what I believe, and not one of them has said or done anything mean about what I believe. they respect me and I respect them. we live a harmonious lifestyle with each other, and respect one anothers beliefs, they would never tolerate or even be associated with anything so vulgar. I even told most of them what has been going on and they are quite sickened by the whole thing. I am hoping a few of them sent in messages too. True Christian followers and ourselves are not at war with each other, we both are at war against people like that. Just like Witches shouldn't be considered as Satan worshippers, Not all Christians should be believed to want us all dead either. I think these people (if you can consider them as such) are following old scripture, where they condemned witches to death. its like they take the parts of the bible that they want, to rid what is different or not like them. basically another Hitler in their methods. I am hoping that Wiccans, Pagans and True followers of Christ can come together and join in this fight to rid of ignorant people like this. after all what True Christian would want to be associated with murderous schemes like this, they wouldn't want their named to be tarred just like we don't want ours to be either. I am glad these pages are down, but you know the fight is not over, its just not visible on those pages. soon enough there will be other pages popping up on FB or around the web, the web can be a marvelous thing to some but at the same time our greatest enemy. it;s a shame that people live by ignorance alone, otherwise this world could actually be a nicer place.

Comment by Belinda Cowell on August 27, 2013 at 1:54pm

There is still part of me that is saddened me that such hatred still exists. I also have Christian family and friends. Sometimes, I can forget that such antipathy exists. Maybe my memory lapse is somewhat unconsciously intentional because it exists all around us. Sending out love & light to all!

Comment by Lysa McClernon on August 29, 2013 at 6:19pm

Was very glad to see that the pages are still down. Its terrifying to hear that there are people who would condone and promote such violent behavior. And for lack of knowledge being the catalyst is outragous. We aren't hurting you why would want to cause us pain and harm? I personally adopted a new sigil a few years back and may I suggest that more pagans and witches take it up. Its called Hye Won Hye - That which cannot be burned. May no witches be harmed by the hatred and ignorance of others. Blessed Be to all!


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